One thing I hate about WEB-DLs…

If you’re one of many people who think WEB-DLs are always better than HDTVs, this may change your opinion a little bit.

OK, a while ago, I was watching my own release of The Walking Dead, S05E05, which I ReEncoded from 1080p WEB-DL source. Then Suddenly I saw this…

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I was like “What the hell is this? did I do something wrong? OMG I actually released this garbage? If this is something I did, then that’s it for me, I’m done.”

I checked my encode logs and everything was OK. Then I went to check the source “The.Walking.Dead.S05E05.1080p.WEB-DL.DD5.1.H.264-Cyphanix | 1.62GB”

This is the same scene from the source:

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 MY MIND BLOWN. Then I went to check 720p WEB-DL source to see if it has the same problem “The.Walking.Dead.S05E05.720p.WEB-DL.DD5.1.H.264-Cyphanix | 1.35”

This is the same scene from 720p WEB-DL: PSA2-S72Click to enlarge

OK, it’s much much better. look the fire for instance.

Now, why?
it’s simple. bitrate of  the 720p one is 4038Kbps and it’s 4916Kbps for 1080p version . OK, I’d say it should be at least over 8k for 1080p. Other than that, this happens because they don’t use 2-pass encoding.
it’s just ridicules, they encode them regardless of the content. The Walking Dead has same size as Jane the Virgin. they don’t care if it’s action or it’s drama. I guess they don’t even check what they are releasing.

In this case, I prefer HDTVs over WEB-DLs. today The Walking Dead S05E09 came in 2.42GB (bitrate: 7484Kbps). WEB-DL is not out yet, but it will be same as before. 2.42GB HDTV 720p and it will be around 1.65GB for WEB-DL 1080p?

The thing is, people who download my releases won’t think the problem is source’s. they’d say “OK that’s it. I won’t download PSA releases anymore.” funny thing is, If I have used 720p version as my source instead of the 1080p one, I would have got better results.

YES, WEB-DLs are better in many other aspects, but this one… I hate.

Also please note, same thing happens to many ReEncoded releases. some people expect all the episodes of a particular show to have same sizes. like The Walking Dead always should be 350MB. THIS IS WRONG!. one episode needs to be 450MB, one episode needs to be 250MB. If all episodes are 350MB, then encoder wasted 100MB on the one which needs only 250MB, and the other one lacks bitrate…

So please trust me. always know every thing I release is the best I could get out of it.

Best wishes,
Dr.XJ

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KA RA KA
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you are the best., we trust you. you know which one is best for us.. keep it up.. my best wishes to you and your team.., you are the “KING OF HEVC”

MeH
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“The most comprehensive and complex analysis on a set of data leads to wrong results when data itself is wrong”
and that’s the same for (re)encoding. Where the source itself is faulty, any re-encode of it will have the same faults.

There are many encoding groups out there but not all of them do a good job. PSA is one the most trustworthy encoders available who’s maintained the same high level of quality for long.
Good image quality while keeping file size small is the defining characteristic of PSA’s encodes.

H.265/HEVC is great and PSA rocks 😉

rahulkumar
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Im basically from India. I became your die hard fan. your rips are best in torrent world.Thanks a lot. there is one little suggestion from me…. most your movie torrents are dying becoz they are not seeded well. and most of movie download link expired. Only http://uptobox.com/ link are well but they restricted in my country. along this uptobox speed is slow and waiting time two hours long. I m not able to download two movie in a single day. Do something. I’m upset fro this… Solution : u have registered users . give them a task single movie by… Read more »
rahulkumar
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i never used to read uploader name but once i saw ur rip GOT s07e02 then I got socked and became your fan and i wanted to replace my collection with ur riped. but i am not able to fast becoz most of them have no seeds.

avadaKedavra
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WOW. This is definitely eye-opening. *hats off* to you guys. Nice explanation. Learning a lot from this site.

Puntadewa
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Hello, I from Indonesia and I'm not active in speak english, and because of that I prefer WEB-DL to download because :

1. there is always english sub in it (most of HDTV don't)

2. there is always put a title of the episode in WEB-DL files, which I like it.

if you could, maybe you can put those two things above in HDTV's file, since the HDTV's always first to be able to download than WEB-DL (1-2 days gap), I would very appreciate it. Thanks 🙂 

donkosala
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I was 1st introduced to x265 through PSA. Ever since then I've been downloading PSA releases as my 1st choice for a long time. Thank You!

bandit666
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hat's off to all your effort bro!!!!

really appreciate what you are doing 🙂

gsmauto
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you're doing a great job a great job and i want to know why the hdtv version got some labels just like the tv labels 

thanks for your effort

ProdigalX
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Because the HDTV releases are ripped directly from broadcast tv. If you want a clean video you need to go with web-dl or webrip. Google it if you want to know more.

absatl
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Good move there. Actually after watching this episode I thought, "what the **#* !!!, did psa rips made a mistake ?? " After  reading this I was happy. Even if psarip made an mistake we understand, no ones perfect. So I just want to say I'm a fan of psarips and the encoded videos are just perfectly fine for me. Once again great work guys.

osiris_v3
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I haven't had any issues with your quality of WEB-DLs. I'm another logo hater too. I'd rather have an occasional issue than a logo, but I do like that you give options. Thanks for the great encodes.

viewerx
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Hi,

would you be willing to share your complete encoding settings (CRF, Preset, Tune, additional Command Line options and so on) you use for your (720p x265) rips here on PSARips?

I looked around but I couldn't find them.

Thanks and keep up your great work.

ninjadude6070
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Doc actually the only reason i prefer web dl is because i hate TV LOGOS in HDTV rips! 😉

RexPirata
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WEB DL its better, x265 to much better. HDTV sucks.

pampijit
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2 pass setting to get best bitrate value & good result
x265 –pass 1 –slow-firstpass –preset slow –tune grain –crf 25 –crf-max 17 –crf-min 29 bla…bla..bla..
x265 –pass 2 –preset slow –tune grain –bitrate XXX bla…bla..bla..

XXX = avarege bitrate nominal from bitrate pass 1 (it will visible if encoding pass 1 finished)

if your movie scene not a high motion try to reduce some a few percent bitrate (maybe 10%-25%)
if the movie very-very high motion try raising a few percent too..
it work perfect for x264

sorry my bad english

bro339
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hi, i would to ask..i’ve downloaded several of your mini rips and i tried to play them on vlc player on pc and my TV via USB input..ok first, on vlc, i realised it can be slightly choppy and when i try to play it on my TV, my TV says its an unknown video format..is there smtg wrong on my end? or my end is just to out of date? damn, im confused..

hope you can shed some light to my issue here..thanks!!

AntelopeGuy
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Hi Dr.XJ!
Just wanted to ask what you thought about this new (or so I think :D) uploader ARCHANGEL, what do you think about the quality of his releases?
I was thinking of downloading some of the episodes he released that are not on PSArips and wanted to get your opinion ❓ 🙂
PS. Some of his releases have a smaller size than yours 😕 😛
Regards
AntelopeGuy

ASDFKing
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You are the best hevc encoder out there… Its better if you can release the hdtv and the web-dl at the same time for the tv shows that u release both. Thanks! Keep up the good work!

kotuwa
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Well, can not agree about “because they don’t use 2-pass encoding” thing!.. 2 pas is just for either VBV accuracy or when targetting specific sizes… CRF encoding is as good as 2-pass other than vbv related things, which is only related to compatibility an has noticeable effect on high bitrates. That is why 2-pass CRF is done, to achieve specific quality + vbv accuracy… I have no idea about what method that Web-DL uses…. (Here talking abt mainly iTunes) But the bitrate (or CRF) is the key factor regarding this… 720p. If someone has really looked at Web-DLs, and HDTV,… Read more »
xidix
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We download it for free, I wouldnt even dare complaining. 😐

Om
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Got your point!! Dr.XJ

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Y2J
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I am sure many won’t like my post, but, guys, read it again, think about it, then see if you like what I wrote or not. Also think that Dr.XJ’s time is not infinite, and encoding in HEVC takes a LOT of time. Wouldn’t you rather have better encodes?

WalterVeryLightGrey
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I don’t think the HEVC format messes anything up, the same quality setting reencode in X264 and in X265 releases the same quality result, just the size difference of just above 50% smaller x265 compared to x264.

Y2J
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Well, what do you think about the encode time then?

WalterVeryLightGrey
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What ? As in the time it takes then reencode an episode in X265 instead of X264 ?? Lols, that’s not even a thing to consider. Even if it takes them 4X the time to reencode a x265 file compared to a X264 file, it saves more than 50% of the file sizes’ band with for 100s/1000s of people. Say the latest 720p s05e09 web-dl episode is downloaded by 1000 people from PSARIPS, that’s 350mb episode, same for x264 will be say 675 mb, 325X1000 = 325,000 MBs, that’s a whole lot of saved MBs ! 😉 in backward countries… Read more »
Y2J
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You got some points there Walter, regarding the bandwidth. Also some nice math. Now apply that math to how many hours there are in a day and see what my point is about the encoding time.

Clearly my point went above your head. Because it takes so much time to encode, my opinion is that the best source should be chosen when encoding. And the best source is WEB-DL (well, BluRay is better, but for that you have to wait a lot), even if some WEB-DLs might have some errors in them. HDTV are way worst.

Makaveli84
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You’re both right, guys. Y2J, I feel ya. If I had to choose, it’ll be WEB-DL over TV Rips every time. Walter, true that. I also download HEVC from PSA to save bandwidth (and HDD space to a lesser extent).
PSA, please don’t stop WEB-DLs.. Why choose one over the other? Hope things continue as they are, both HDTV and WEB are available making everyone happy! 😉

Y2J
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I love your encodes, don’t get me wrong. They’re what started me into encoding into HEVC. However, my opinion is that quality should beat quantity, and there is no point into encoding HDTV. Why do people download your encodes? To watch them as soon as possible? If that would be the case, the HDTV source is out first. They can get that. No, they download to collect them. Great quality, small size. Perfect for collecting stuff. Go for quality from good sources (WEB-DL, BluRay), don’t fall for the crybabies tears. People will replace the encodes with better ones at first… Read more »
kotuwa
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>”no point in wasting time encoding HDTV”<
😮 😯 ❓

Here I just say that sometimes HDTV has better quality than Web-DL,
For an example, try doing a Screenshot comparison of The Big bang Theory Web-DL and HDTV (DiMENSiON)… In 720p, it would be close, but HDTV would win… And in 1080p, HDTV wins by miles!…
🙂

iKickback
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AFAIK a lot of people download HEVC to spare bandwidth. Lots of countries still have b/w caps (including mine), and storage on SSDs in sparse. If you’re going to watch series on a laptop, like I do (and I’m guessing most of the people who download HEVC releases do so too, as many Smart TVs probably don’t support x265 yet), you probably don’t really bother much if it’s perfect 1080p quality (I might be wrong, that’s just my way of thinking), or if there’s a watermark or anything. Also, WEB-DL isn’t always available for every series, and it takes a… Read more »
Y2J
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You can connect your laptop to the TV trough HDMI cable. That’s how I watch it on my TV, connected to PC. And movies shouldn’t be stored on SSD, those are not for that. Buy an external HDD, they’re available anywhere. And why get 1080p for a laptop when most have 1366 x 768 resolution? If you don’t want quality, there is the HDTV 400p x264 that you can find on eztv or most sites. No need to spend so much time encoding in HEVC if people don’t care about quality. So no matter how you twist it, WEB-DL source… Read more »
Y2J
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You mention that the HDTV sources are larger than WEB-DL, and are ranting about the fixed size of the releases. Well, Most HDTV are of same size, around 1.2 Gb, some at around 900 Mb, no matter if the episode it’s more action packed or not. So that argument doesn’t stand. Yes, in case of The Walking Dead, the HDTV source is larger. It’s probably because of the grain filter that’s used in the film (my opinion is that it’s intended to look grainy). Also, the HDTV sources have those annoying watermarks the TV station shows trough the movies, commercials,… Read more »
Y2J
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Also, 1080p vs 720p quality … the size of the 1080p is only a bit bigger than the 720p while having twice the number of pixels, so yea, probably the quality is not better. So you might be better encoding the 720p from 720p WEB-DL sources.

Y2J
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And yea, you find a bad source in a WEB-DL 1080p episode. Big deal! That’s nothing if you compare it to the piles of 720p HDTV out there. You constantly see PROPER versions of the HDTV releases, because scene releases are all about the speed. Who releases first! So you get out of sync sound, artifacts, missing parts, stuff like that. iMMERSE releases (iirc) were known to be of bad quality, a lot being NUKED., and PROPER releases appearing.

Y2J
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And yea, you find a bad source in a WEB-DL 1080p episode. Big deal! That’s nothing if you compare it to the piles of 720p HDTV out there. You constantly see PROPER versions of the HDTV releases, because scene releases are all about the speed. Who releases first! So you get out of sync sound, artifacts, missing parts, stuff like that. iMMERSE releases (iirc) were known to be of bad quality, a lot being NUKED., and PROPER releases appearing. Also, 1080p vs 720p quality … the size of the 1080p is only a bit bigger than the 720p while having… Read more »
Y2J
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Did any of you guys bothered to download the HDTV source to compare? It also has a lot of granulation, like an old film. It’s like they used some grain filter to give it a special look. It’s how the entire Battlestar Galactica looks grainy on BluRay. I think it’s intended, it gives an ’80s horror movie feel. Also, the begining, with “An AMC Original series” doesn’t have any granulation at all. So I assume it’s intended to look this way. Probably that’s why the encodes are also larger than other TV Series episodes. It’s only 43 minutes after all,… Read more »
iKickback
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I agree on the fact that the granulation may be intended, that still doesn’t justify the pixelation as displayed in the screenshots. Granulation is fine by me, pixelation far from.

Y2J
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That is one bad scene in a WEB-DL. You can’t judge them all from this error. Title is “One thing I hate about WEB-DLs…”, not “One thing I hate about one WEB-DL”. HDTVs are made to be better than WEB-DL trough this article, when in fact they aren’t. They’re far worst.

Makaveli84
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I agree with Y2J on both counts. In most cases, WEB-DLs are far better than HDTV releases, and the granulation in TWD is intentional. The pixelation in this one 1080 episode was the exception, not the rule.

WalterVeryLightGrey
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Finally, someone is facing the SAME EXACT PROBLEM I AM. So with this episode, s05e09, I really got pissed because there is just unbelievable NOISE OR AS U SAID GRANULATION in this open. EXAMPLE – CLEAR AND HEAVY Granulation in the opening scene after the digging when the camera focuses on the Photo frame, all background has insane Granulation. So I tried a fee things, I download the 1080p Web-dl 1.7Gb original one, it had that noise, I downloaded the 1.3 GB 720p one and it had the same noise. I tried playing both of these files on 32″ 1080p… Read more »
WalterVeryLightGrey
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No, I have checked and the show makers most definitely don’t intent the show to look like this. I think its ITUNE’S fault, cause I have seen many screenshots (and if u also see OFFICIAL VIDEO clips they release on Youtube, those also dont have the noise) that The Walking Dead official Facebook page shares with absolutely NO GRAIN at all, and I check the exact SAME SCENES as in the video clips or the screenshots on the original 1080p web-dl which are 1.7-2.0 GB big and they have the noise. So it most definitely isn’t how the show makers… Read more »
Y2J
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Thing is the Ciphanix and the KILLERS releases are the sources. Those are as close as possible to the original release. If you re-encode, and you put some blur filter, and you get rid of the “noise”, then you might say it looks better but it’s far from the original material. I say that they intended to make it look this way, to give the feel of a post apocalyptic zombie infested world, where people don’t have access to cutting edge technology, etc. Dunno, but, I assume it;s intended to look pixelated and grainy. If that’s the original, blurring the… Read more »
Lakshyan
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You’re doing a great job Dr.XJ!! 🙂 🙂 PSA z da best!!! keep it up!! 😎 😎 😎

hfk217
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Never had a complain for any of your releases doc. Your the best at what you do. Even I used to be one of those who had a problem with inconsistency in file sizes of the episodes in one season. But you have justified yourself. I’m glad I have a brilliant source of all TV Series and Movies. Already got a lot of friends downloading from your website now. I will continue recommending to others coz i honestly feel your hard work should not go unnoticed online. Keep up the good work doc… I hope this site continues to grow… Read more »
A2theC
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Thank you for being awesome and ensuring quality releases!! I would always assume it was source that was at fault when I get your releases, especially with HDTV releases as satellite has glitches from time to time, but to see this in a webDL I’m surprised! I personally prefer the TV release of Eye Candy because, it being an MTV show, they have the name of the song currently playing during the show in certain scenes, and I like new music!

iKickback
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Honestly, I wouldn’t even blame Cyphanix (the release of TWD WEB-DLs), normally WEB-DL releases are not re-encoded, they’re just downloaded from iTunes, remuxed into MKV files and possibly dropped an extra 2ch audio stream. So you’d see the exact same thing on the official iTunes release. Just checked in the iTunes store and the size there is also 1.72GB (the remaining 0.10GB will be from the dropped AAC audio stream). I suppose the 720p WEB-DL version might be re-encoded from the 1080p version by the manufacturer, hence maybe the better quality. Judging from your screenshots, the 720p version still isn’t… Read more »
WalterVeryLightGrey
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Yeah, not blaming anyone, though I do seek a solution, I just tried playing the 1.7 gb 1080p TWD S05E09 WEB-DL on my LG 32″ 1080p LED TV and the noise is horrible. Its BAD ! I even tried playing the same on my 4.7 inch 720p screen phone using MX PLAYER and the same horrible noise. Any solution.

iKickback
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I don’t think there’s any solution to this, other than downloading the HDTV release instead. It’s a bugger that you’d have to redownload but look at it this way: at least you didn’t waste 1.70GB of downloading on the original WEB-DL. But as I said, other than that there’s no other solution on the short term, if the iTunes version is as corrupted than the WEB-DL, which it probably is, none of the re-encodes would achieve the quality they are supposed to have (except for, maybe, re-encodes in 144p lol). You could wait for a BluRay release and re-encode, but… Read more »
Makaveli84
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Another solution (or maybe half-solution) would be using the original Cyphanix (i.e. iTunes) 720p WEB-DLs as the 720p source, rather than the 1080p versions. The source 720p versions have a much higher bits-per-pixel plus they’re resized (downscaled) from the original lossless material, making them quite fir for reencoding.
I don’t know if that would be feasible by PSA though, as it would entail downloading and using two set of separate sources for 1080 and 720… Either way, great job PSA! 😉

Makaveli84
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Exactly!

Baxterzzzzzz
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I can honestly say I have never ever noticed any of the issues in ANY rip in 720P or 1080P as shown above.

Maybe I find a good encoder and stick with them, or I need better glasses.

If I do run across a poor quality encoding I never mention it because I feel I got my monies worth anyway!!!!!

WalterVeryLightGrey
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There are a lot of factors in play so yeah. Its completely possible u never face such a problem. And yet. I did. And I wasn’t complaining in the first place, i have just been curious about the NOISE thing in TWD for a long time now, this comment section of this post just seemed like a place where I might get answer to my questions.

WalterVeryLightGrey
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Can anyone explain what’s with the noisy scenes in TWD, there are many in all 5 seasons – Notably – pilot – rick and shane car conversation. And I also clearly remember s05e01 opening scene having insane noise. I tried s05e01 original source 1080p web-dl, and the s01e01 I guess I was a brrip reencode in 1080p by deejayahtyrion from kickass. Also, same kind of noisy scenes in S01 and S02 of breaking bad. Both of them I watched 1.8-2.0 gb web-dls. But breaking bad noise is watchable, the walking dead noise is INSANE ! I have always thought that… Read more »
Makaveli84
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It is a known fact that TWD used to suffer from grain in its early seasons (the source material that is). That “noise” is not anyone’s fault except the show’s makers.

WalterVeryLightGrey
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Hmmm, I watched season 1-4 on a small tablet screen in 720p so I never noticed much (any noise), I have only noticed noise after my net speed got increased this year and I tried poking around the 1080p torrents of TWD. Of course the TWD 1080p deejayahmed encodes had horrible noise, and as I said many scenes in the source web-dl files I have been downloading also have had noise, can it be the same VISUAL ARTIFACTING as mentioned in this main post above ? Should I try downloading a 720p web-dl source file and try comparing the noise… Read more »
Mandarin
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First-off, don’t download from DeeJayTrion if the file size is too low. The quality suffers.
I have watched TWD (first three seasons) and BB (all seasons). Noise was only in first season of TWD and first two seasons of BB. At that time, these shows were small, so cheap equipment, so bad quality. When they got famous, their production value increased, so they got better quality. So, no more grain. That make sense?

I bet you’ll find grain in a lot of movies between 2000 and 2008.

WalterVeryLightGrey
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I know deejaytyrion’s encodes are too small and I don’t download anything unless there is other substitute like TWD season 1 in 1080p. And clearly the noise went away in BB after season 2 but in TWD, I am pretty sure there is noise in all seasons. Less in the last two seasons but it’s there, just see the opening scene of s05e01 and in the scene where they are butchering the guy, there is a camera angle of GLENN being focused on and that has the trademark TWD noise that I have noticed in all of its seasons. I… Read more »
SKite
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I always wait for the Web-dl. for one beacuse I keep the series on dvds and because, I can’t get my hands on BDrips or the actual BD xD Then again, for TWD I usually get the hdtv and DL the web-dl later, alwasy the HD, FullHD only for movies sometimes…

Mandarin
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I totally had the same opinion of WEB-DLs. Those guys know nothing about encoding. They just release TV shows in 1.5 GB and movies in 2.5 – 3.5 GB.

kBaraka
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yup that’s why using CRF is the right way 😉

Mandarin
Member

Actually, 2-pass bitrate is better sometimes. CRF rapes the dark scenes, by giving them very less bitrate.

FCsean
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The problem is the average joe doesn’t understand a thing about encoding. They don’t about CRF values and most of other encoders uses bitrate encoding and so they’re used to one file size. But damn that web-dl sucks.

Rocket
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I always prefer web-dl so keep doing it, u r doing gr8…

imdeadin88
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You’re doing a great job …You have our best wishes!!!! 😀

hell_knight
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hi
Check better call saul in dark place of scenes
its like this picture
Tnx

hell_knight
Member

Thanks Guys for your replys
i downloaded all of your movie and your quality of movie is better than others x265 or even x264’s rippers.
i know x265 have a little problem with dark scene but noises in better call saul is more than another of your releases
but quality in 1080p is better and dont have problem in dark scene
Tnx for Your Rips 🙂

Mandarin
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I can confirm. Not so bad is in this picture, but it gets pretty bad. I wonder if the source is like that or if it’s the encode. Doc, it’s my suggestion that you move to a lower CRF value. 25 is just not cutting it. Especially when it’s a show like Better Call Saul, which is awesome right from the pilot. The second episode is coming tomorrow. Can you please try a lower CRF value? 23 would be better. Just my suggestion. You know the decision is yours.

When you came back, you said “Quality > quantity”.

Makaveli84
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CRF 25 is pretty decent for x265. As you probably know, Mandarin, x265’s CRF 28 = x264’s CRF 23, which practically makes x265’s CRF 25 equivalent to x264’s CRF 20 or 21. That is pretty decent. From my personal experience and tests, x265 at CRF 25 yields near-transparent results!

Just my 2 cents…

Mandarin
Member

CRF does not work well with dark scenes, I said, unless you use very low CRF. Might as well use a high enough bitrate. How does it not make sense? :/

Makaveli84
Member

Higher bitrate has nothing to do with rate control modes. I said it before and I’ll say it again: a 100 MB CRF encode will have the same quality (maybe up to 99%) as a 100 MB 2-pass encode if they come from the same source. If the bitrate is too low, than no need for switching rate control modes. Lowering the CRF would make sense, but switching to 2-pass would not. 🙂

Mandarin
Member

About 2-pass. It is slow, but worth it. What’s the use, you ask? The first line reads “for dark scenes”. Use 2-pass only to re-encode the dark scenes. Not much time/bytes lost.

Makaveli84
Member

Again, why? 2-pass is not dark magic. How would you know where to start, bitrate/size wise? And what difference would it make? 2-pass in itself does not yield a higher quality than CRF. I can see some logic to your suggestion of a lower CRF value, but I’m sorry to say that suggesting 2-pass makes no sense at all…

Mandarin
Member

I’m afraid you have a misconception. CRF depends solely on the source. Different sources can give same/bitrate quality in CRF 20 and 30.
And also, you can’t simply equate x265’s scale to x264’s. Again, it depends on source.

We (a bunch of HEVC enthusiasts) have done a lot of tests. I’m not just babbling.

sakshamcse
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Wao, i respect you guys even more now. 🙄

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